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Post by Gigi on Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:26 pm

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That article says NOTHING about Obama praying with Muslims. It never happened.

Snopes explains well that there's no longstanding tradition of a National Prayer Dinner. Reagan only had 1 in 8 years. GHWBush only had 1 in 4 years. Clinton never had any at all. It was only that warmonger GWBush who tried to start an annual 'tradition.'

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/prayerday.asp

Just because Obama didn't have a dinner doesn't mean he won't ever have one.

Unreliable garbage.
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Post by aloneinpa on Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:36 pm

I watched with sadness, anger and disgust the circus atmosphere that was on display by Donald Trump. I really had thought my country was better than this, sadly, it is not.


http://www.thegrio.com/politics/why-obama-shouldnt-have-had-to-show-his-papers.php?page=1


By Goldie Taylor

11:36 AM on 04/27/2011
Why Obama shouldn't have had to 'show his papers'



By Goldie Taylor

11:36 AM on 04/27/2011

"Show me your papers!"
Major Blackard, then just 19 years old, dug into his trousers in search of his wallet. He padded his jacket, but could not find his billfold.
"Sir, I done left my wallet..." Blackard said. Before he could finish his sentence, the young man was posted against the brick wall, cuffed and taken to the St. Louis city jail. Unable to prove his identity, he would spend the next 21 days in a cramped, musty cell. That's where his older brother Matt found him, beaten and bloodied. Matt returned with Major's employer later that day, wallet and identification card in hand, to post bond.
The year was 1899. Major Blackard was my great, great grandfather.
The real crime, as Pulitzer Prize winning author Doug Blackmon points on in his seminal work Slavery by Any Other Name, was that my grandfather was a colored man in America.

This morning, as White House staffers released copies of the president's long form birth certificate, I couldn't shake the feeling that something very ugly was going on. For the first time in recorded history, a sitting president of the United States found it necessary to produce his original birth certificate for public inspection. Not once, in 235 years, have we ever demanded proof that our president was born on American soil.
In a stunning display of unchecked ego, Donald Trump quickly hosted a news conference, during which he took credit for forcing President Obama's hand. The sometime real estate developer, socialite, author and television personality went on to caution onlookers to let "experts" examine the document. Lest the president continue perpetrating was Trump has called potentially the "biggest fraud in American history."
Click here to view a PDF version of President Obama's long form birth certificate
For weeks, the thrice married, comb-over construction magnate has enthralled news reporters with his apocalyptic ranting. Trump openly questioned whether President Obama belonged in the White House, a boardroom, or even an Ivy League lecture hall.
And we let him.
We used all manner of excuses to justify giving Trump as much oxygen as he could suck up. Rarely, if ever, did we press him to produce a shard of evidence to substantiate his wild claims. We smiled gingerly as he all but called us stupid sycophants who were in cahoots with an illegitimate president. We allowed him to hold court on issues on which he clearly has no knowledge and no credibility, beyond the limo ride briefings he apparently receives from his merry band of "yes men."

For the full story and watch the video by Goldie Taylor:


http://www.thegrio.com/politics/why-obama-shouldnt-have-had-to-show-his-papers.php?page=2
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Post by pugsrit on Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:00 pm

I dislike Donald Trump immensly. This country is overly obsessed with money and I think that is why people our attracted to him. I can't think of any other reasons.


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Post by Phillymg on Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:27 pm

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Phillymg wrote:
That article says NOTHING about Obama praying with Muslims. It never happened.

Snopes explains well that there's no longstanding tradition of a National Prayer Dinner. Reagan only had 1 in 8 years. GHWBush only had 1 in 4 years. Clinton never had any at all. It was only that warmonger GWBush who tried to start an annual 'tradition.'

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/prayerday.asp

Just because Obama didn't have a dinner doesn't mean he won't ever have one.
Unreliable garbage.
'The Christian Science Monitor' credited Snopes as an authoritative source when they debunked the myth that President Obama had 'cancelled' the National Day of Prayer interfaith observance at the WH. The CSM is a well-respected publication.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0506/National-Day-of-Prayer-is-on-despite-court-ruling

Obama didn't 'cancel' anything. Just like President Clinton never held one.....Obama also hasn't held one. But Obama did make a National Day of Prayer Proclamation last year & the year before (& likely will this year as well). In fact Obama told the Attorney General's office to fight against a private lawsuit trying to cancel the NDP law that Congress had passed a few years back & trying to prevent Obama from issuing his proclamation in favor the NDP.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/14/national-day-of-prayer-_n_849295.html

Recently the appeals court found in favor of the NDP law & in favor of Obama's right to proclaim the NDP.

Not sure why people keep trying to accuse Obama of being against the NDP. He's not.

Can't people find things he actually has done wrong to accuse him over??

Frankly I think Obama's alot more conservative than many people realize. Look at how he hasn't helped the 99ers or even mentioned the 99ers. Look at how he supported tax cuts for the wealthy. Look at how he's accepted cuts to food stamps & cancellation of the whole TANF jobs program. Look at how he's supported the outsourcing of jobs.

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Post by truth on Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:54 am

If I remember correctly, Pres. Obama recently attended the National Prayer Breakfast, which is neither government funded nor endorsed.

As a Christian, I don't need the government to recommend a particular day for me to pray, and for those who are not people people who pray (which could well be the majority), I can see such a proclamation as turning them further against religion (and the government).

Should we also have a National Day of Church Attendance?


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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:56 am

The world is in a toilet ready to be flushed. We are still in 2 wars trying to into #3. Unemployment is out of control and no one still has jobs availble. Who cares if he was born on Mars? The Muslims thing has gone on long enough. Its not true. Media crap. If he chooses to support Muslims and their religion, so be it. It is not the terrorist stuff people equate it with since 9-11.


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Post by Gigi on Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:59 am

Phillymg wrote:
Gigi wrote:
Phillymg wrote:
That article says NOTHING about Obama praying with Muslims. It never happened.

Snopes explains well that there's no longstanding tradition of a National Prayer Dinner. Reagan only had 1 in 8 years. GHWBush only had 1 in 4 years. Clinton never had any at all. It was only that warmonger GWBush who tried to start an annual 'tradition.'

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/prayerday.asp

Just because Obama didn't have a dinner doesn't mean he won't ever have one.
Unreliable garbage.
'The Christian Science Monitor' credited Snopes as an authoritative source when they debunked the myth that President Obama had 'cancelled' the National Day of Prayer interfaith observance at the WH. The CSM is a well-respected publication.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0506/National-Day-of-Prayer-is-on-despite-court-ruling

Obama didn't 'cancel' anything. Just like President Clinton never held one.....Obama also hasn't held one. But Obama did make a National Day of Prayer Proclamation last year & the year before (& likely will this year as well). In fact Obama told the Attorney General's office to fight against a private lawsuit trying to cancel the NDP law that Congress had passed a few years back & trying to prevent Obama from issuing his proclamation in favor the NDP.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/14/national-day-of-prayer-_n_849295.html

Recently the appeals court found in favor of the NDP law & in favor of Obama's right to proclaim the NDP.

Not sure why people keep trying to accuse Obama of being against the NDP. He's not.

Can't people find things he actually has done wrong to accuse him over??

Frankly I think Obama's alot more conservative than many people realize. Look at how he hasn't helped the 99ers or even mentioned the 99ers. Look at how he supported tax cuts for the wealthy. Look at how he's accepted cuts to food stamps & cancellation of the whole TANF jobs program. Look at how he's supported the outsourcing of jobs.

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Post by truth on Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:47 am

Now it's time for Mr. Trump to keep his promise and release his tax returns:http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53847.html

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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:49 am

Trump Rocks

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just kidding

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Post by JaneWI on Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:02 am

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Gigi wrote:This is what I think of Snopes:

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/internet/a/snopes_exposed.htm

I'm confused now. From the urban legends site:

Forwarded email alleges that the urban legend debunking site Snopes.com is 'owned by a flaming liberal' who is 'in the tank for Obama' and can't be trusted to provide reliable information.

Description: Email rumor
Circulating since: Oct. 2008
Status: False

Read this article from urban legends. It states the rumor email against Snopes was false. I copied and pasted the top portion of the article. There are better details in the complete article.
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:37 am

Gigi wrote:Could someone explain the Obama's foreign birth certificate?

[url=http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/forum/topics/video-lack-of-obama-birth?page=1&commentId=2600775%3AComment%3A2315832&x=1#2600775Comment2315832
http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/forum/topics/video-lack-of-obama-birth?page=1&commentId=2600775%3AComment%3A2315832&x=1#2600775Comment2315832[/quote[/url]]

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Post by Sunrise on Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:28 pm

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Gigi wrote:Could someone explain the Obama's foreign birth certificate?

http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/forum/topics/video-lack-of-obama-birth?page=1&commentId=2600775%3AComment%3A2315832&x=1#2600775Comment2315832[/quote[/url" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">]

Easy, political BS

Let the media know that we want true Journalism and not all the FLUFF that they throw at us.

Please sign the petition: [url=http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/dump-trump/]http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/dump-trump/

To all the media giants: Huffington Post, NBC, FOX NEWS, CNN, CBS, ABC, The New York Times, The Daily Beast, The Blaze, etc.

Please refrain from feeding into Trump's obvious attempts at ratings, profits and power. Isn't it ridiculous that the presidential election can be manipulated in this way. Let's not let that happen. Instead, lets support a serious dialogue about national leadership and the important issues facing our nation. Dump Trump!
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Post by Sunrise on Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:32 pm

I've decided that I want my one little voice to be heard by the media moguls - I will not click on any article on CNN, NBC, etc. that even mentions the name Trump, Palin and other FLUFFY 'news' (e.g., the Royal wedding). By clicking on these articles, it lets them know that this is a hot topic and therefore they should focus more stories on it in order to increase their readership and thereby their sponsors and thereby their revenue.

I have been avoiding FLUFF in the past by not clicking on 'news' stories that discuss FLUFF - who did Charlie Sheen screw, Tiger did this and his wife said that, etc. You get my drift. I am renewing my vows today.

By the way, do we want to get the message out about the plight of the unemployed? Click on and READ (maybe several times) articles that are relevant to our cause. Then take the time to write a well thought out and typo free comment. Let them and the readers know that the unemployed are intelligent, job seeking, articulate and voting Americans. (Try writing your comment in Word first and doing a spell check Wink .)
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Post by Phillymg on Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:58 pm

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Easy, political BS
Boonie is correct. Since 2008 the birthers have circulated several forgeries claiming that the President was born in Mombasa in Kenya. The biggest problem with that claim is that in 1961 Mombasa wasn't even in Kenya.....till Dec. 1963 when Mombasa became part of Kenya.....Mombasa belonged to the nation of Zanzibar. Sheesh.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/feature/2009/08/03/birthers_kenya

Barack Obama Sr. was born and educated in Nyanza Province, in southwestern Kenya, on Lake Victoria. This is the area where Obama’s family lived and continues to live; Sarah Obama, the step-grandmother of the president, lives in Nyang’oma Kogelo, a small town in the province. But Mombasa is a city on the Indian Ocean, a thousand miles to the east. It didn’t even have an international airport until 1979. And the city wasn’t even part of Kenya when the future president was born. Mombasa was a part of Zanzibar until December 12, 1963, when it became part of the newly independent Kenya.

One really strange thing about the fake document you found Gigi is that it was supposedly issued by a hospital but hospitals don't issue birth certificates.....governments do. Sure birth certificates often mention the name of the hospital where someone was born but they do that somewhere down below.....not at the very top of the certificate as if the hospital were issuing the document. Suspect

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Post by Gigi on Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:10 pm

Mobs wrote:Trump Rocks




I don't agree with many people and many people don't agree with me politically. We are very fortunate to live in a country where we can voice our opinions. Many people on this forum are Obama supporters and there are some people who disliked Obama from day one. There is nothing anyone can do to change anyone's political opinion. Let's voice our opinion, respect each other and move on. We don't need any drama mommas defending Obama, what we should be focusing on the bill H.R. 589.
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Post by elvis44102 on Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:33 pm

by Phillymg
Boonie is correct. Since 2008 the birthers have circulated several forgeries claiming that the President was born in Mombasa in Kenya. The biggest problem with that claim is that in 1961 Mombasa wasn't even in Kenya.....till Dec. 1963 when Mombasa became part of Kenya.....Mombasa belonged to the nation of Zanzibar. Sheesh.

I think Lee Harvey Oswald is Obamas father....
and he was born at Parkland hospital, during the JFK assasination..

The REAL reason for the JFK assasination was to COVERUP Obamas birth in the confusion.....hows that for a conspiracy????
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Post by Gigi on Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:36 pm

Sunrise wrote:

By the way, do we want to get the message out about the plight of the unemployed? Click on and READ (maybe several times) articles that are relevant to our cause. Then take the time to write a well thought out and typo free comment. Let them and the readers know that the unemployed are intelligent, job seeking, articulate and voting Americans. (Try writing your comment in Word first and doing a spell check Wink .)

Sunrise,

What have done to help the 99ers? You want intelligent materials to be shown on this forum? Maybe we should recruit you to write all the materials on this forum. You should become the 99ers spokesperson because of your intelligence. We need a strong person to stand up to our representatives, lobby in Washington, and produce helpful ideas. You sound like the right candidate. What do think? Please create a new topic with all your ideas. I believe in you because you care about our comments and spelling. Smile
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Post by Gigi on Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:37 pm

elvis44102 wrote:by Phillymg
Boonie is correct. Since 2008 the birthers have circulated several forgeries claiming that the President was born in Mombasa in Kenya. The biggest problem with that claim is that in 1961 Mombasa wasn't even in Kenya.....till Dec. 1963 when Mombasa became part of Kenya.....Mombasa belonged to the nation of Zanzibar. Sheesh.

I think Lee Harvey Oswald is Obamas father....
and he was born at Parkland hospital, during the JFK assasination..

The REAL reason for the JFK assasination was to COVERUP Obamas birth in the confusion.....hows that for a conspiracy????

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Post by truth on Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:54 pm

Gigi,

People's political opinions can and do change. Mine definitely changed.

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Post by Phillymg on Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:41 pm

Gigi wrote:We don't need any drama mommas defending Obama, what we should be focusing on the bill H.R. 589.
Hopefully you're not referring to me.....because as stated *many times* I'm definitely no Obama cheerleader. He's way too big of a supporter of outsourcing. My interest is in THE TRUTH. It does no good for the American people when birthers (I don't mean you--know you're not a birther) spread strange conspiracy theories about Obama. Frankly there are enuf real errors that Obama has committed without making weird stuff up.

I've urged politicians & the media to help the exhaustees for a long time. In fact I may be one really soon. I have no plans to stop lobbying for passage of HR589 till Congress finally faces up to reality & passes the bill.

PS--I'm a dada not a mama. jocolor

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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:11 pm

This topic title is dead Fred, as I've said who cares? They should have verified all this before the elections, now its just water under the bridge and a waste of time to keep debating it Rolling Eyes

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Post by lendmeflight2 on Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:13 pm

This thread is hilarious. It just goes to show how easily people will believe what they want to believe. I believe that Obama's birth certificate is real because I have common sense and that makes logical sense. Why would the Democratic party "forget" to check the eligibility of a candidate before he ran? This makes no sense to me. I wasn't on the flight or at the government office where the birth certificate was picked and carried back.


People still don't believe it.

However, an obvious forgery of a Kenyan Birth certificate appears and that is proof positive, no need to look into. First of all it doesn't even look like a Birth Certificate. Second, it's in English. Why wouldn't it be in Swahili, the language people speak in Kenya? English is also a language spoken in Kenya but I would expect documents to be written in a local language. I can't prove it's not real, just saying it doesn't look real. It looks like a cheap forgery.

I don't care about national prayer day. Religion is not really a part of my life and church and state should be entirely separated. There should be no national day of prayer. But onto to the next topic.
The whole Muslim thing is stupid too. He never had a prayer day and prayed with the Muslims. Snopes is not a reliable source but some random tea party website is of course reliable. Right? Whatever, one is as good as the other.

None of this changes the fact that all birthers look stupid now and the ones that are STILL fighting it look even more stupid.


If you are determined to believe something it seems like the smallest amount of evidence is enough as long as it agrees with what you believe.
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Post by Phillymg on Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:15 pm

elvis44102 wrote:by Phillymg
Boonie is correct. Since 2008 the birthers have circulated several forgeries claiming that the President was born in Mombasa in Kenya. The biggest problem with that claim is that in 1961 Mombasa wasn't even in Kenya.....till Dec. 1963 when Mombasa became part of Kenya.....Mombasa belonged to the nation of Zanzibar. Sheesh.


I think Lee Harvey Oswald is Obamas father....
and he was born at Parkland hospital, during the JFK assasination..

The REAL reason for the JFK assasination was to COVERUP Obamas birth in the confusion.....hows that for a conspiracy????
That would be quite a trick since both Ann Dunham & LHO were 'white'. Theoretically it's possible for 2 'whites' like Ann Dunham & LHO (or any other 'white' man with her) to produce a child who would look as black as Barack Obama does. Basically the only way it could happen would be if both his 'white' parents had some African ancestry.

Heather Locklear for example has black ancestry far back on one side but doesn't look black. Also Jackie Kennedy had a black ancestor way back on her Dad's side but looked & was considered 100% white. Not talking about people with *recent* black genes--talking about persons like Ann Dunham & LHO who were classified & considered white. It's always a *big* surprise when 2 white people beget a black-looking kid tho for sure it does happen from time to time--years ago I read about a 'white' married couple in South Africa who freaked out when they gave birth to a black-looking baby. Tests proved that the baby absolutely was their own progeny. That was in the 1980s before Apartheid was defeated. I wonder what happened to that child.....

Of course there's no indication that Ann Dunham or LHO had any black ancestors. Not insinuating either of them did have African ancestry. Or that they knew each other. Or that you think so. I know you were just making up a joke Elvis!! Very Happy

Hopefully Glenn Beck's staff members aren't reading this blog.....or the next thing you know Beck will be drawing a line between Ann Dunham & LHO on his blackboard!!

The issue of who is/isn't black and white gets to me since my family is B/W/Jewish.

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