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Michele Bachmann & Rick Santorum Agree Blacks Better Off During Slavery--Rick Perry Pals Around With a Guy Who Calls Oprah Harlot of the Anti-Christ

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Post by Phillymg on Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:52 pm

Michele Bachmann & Rick Santorum have signed the extreme right's weird oath statement.....which states that African Americans were better off under *SLAVERY*.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/08/michele-bachmann-rick-san_n_893523.html?view=screen

Rick Perry's joined forces with a similar group that says Oprah is a harbinger of the Anti-Christ.....

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/07/rick-perry-pal-oprah-triggering-antichrist

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/30/6983238-church-state-and-governor-rick-perry

Guess now we know what Perry, Santorum, & Bachmann think of black people.....



I'd put them on our prayers for the rich thread but none of them is rich enuf.....

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Post by Tara on Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:28 pm

I've understood for a long time that the Tea Party is not held together by its belief that we need to reduce the deficit. Racism is the elephant is the living room. We make it easier for them by not calling them on it.

Good post, phillymg.

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Post by Phillymg on Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:55 am

Well well well.....

A few hours ago the organization that started the crazy oath statement *removed* the section saying that blacks were better off under slavery.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/09/the-family-leader-drops_n_893958.html

Too bad for Bachmann & Santorum that their group didn't take that section out *before* they both signed it.....

As one of the HuffPost commenters says 'It's already viral.'

As the author Jason Linkins said 'The internet never forgets.'

Bachmann & Santorum want the American people to trust them to sign treaties with other countries that protect our nation's interests. What's their position now.....whooops when I signed that treaty with Nation XYZ I didn't mean to approve the little clause saying that the US surrenders to them.....

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Post by stcfarms on Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:35 am

One has to wonder if they will still be christians when they figure out that Christ was black. I guess that the crosses they burned in the front yards of blacks during the heyday of the clan was a sign of respect, go figure...

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Post by Tara on Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:15 am

What's next- the God Vow where everyone in the country vows to convert to Christianity? How about the Jobs Bill Vow? Where they cut all the crap out where they are trying to tell the rest of us how to live and actually focus on creating jobs?

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Post by stcfarms on Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:19 am

Smoke and mirrors is a way of life in Washington, if they can keep the people divided into parties that are diametrically opposed they can remain in power. Until Americans reject the extreme sides of both parties the pendulum will continue to swing between the extremes. I was taught that the truth usually lies halfway between the extremes. Religion, politics, patriotism, race, wealth et cetera are just some of the things that they use to keep us divided. "You can always spot an honest politician, six feet above his head is a large granite stone with his name on it".

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Post by TR11005 on Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:47 pm

I would like to go back for a day back to the time of Puritans and have a witch burning. Michele Bachmann will be a leading candidate. The rest of them including Romney, since he is from Massachusetts and should know better. Put them out on public display Puritan style. Senator Bernie Sanders gets the first throw.

This is the Christian thing to do, back then. Then maybe they might get serious about the jobs issue and taking care of what is left of the middle class and the the growing poor class.

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Post by TR11005 on Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:48 pm

Did you know there are more Blacks in prison right now then there were slaves. That is an actual reported fact. I don't have the source right now. If they would release some of those innocent prisoners compared to the rich that get away with things (Bank CEOs) the Unemployment rate would be too unbearable for the public.

If they would close prisons for profit and give the prisoners meaningful work and training. That would vastly reduced the federal and state deficit. Many counties and cities can't afford to keep prisoners on stupid drug charges, this has bankrupt them and had to lay off police. Something is wrong with this picture!

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Post by Phillymg on Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:34 pm

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/58631.html

Ok.....so here's the 2 choices.....

If Michele Bachmann becomes President/Vice-President we'll have.....

(1) Either someone who says that African Americans were better off as slaves.

(2) Or someone who says that whenever she signs something she doesn't read the whole document & only signs based on the part she chooses to read.

That's some crack team of legal eagles she's got working for her.....


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Post by Phillymg on Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:11 pm

Sometime in the next hour.....CNN will cover Bachmann's & Santorum's pitiful attempts to backpedal from their agreement with the crazy oath statement that said blacks were better off when they were enslaved.

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Post by elvis44102 on Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:48 pm

I still want to know how much government money michelle gets for all her "foster" kids...???

and if she is running a sweat shop with them??

(only half kidding on the last)
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Post by truth on Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:04 pm

As far as I can determine, foster parents in MN receive $210 a week tax free per placement. Surely Rep. Bachmann refused the money since she was doing it out of the goodness of her heart.

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Post by elvis44102 on Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:13 pm

23 kids time 210 week is 4,830$ week
times 52 weeks 251,160$ a year....

Anti-government Michelle would not take a quarter million dollars
to brainwash, I mean raise her "foster" children I am sure...

I am pretty sure such a "high minded" individual would not accepy a "handout"......yes
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Post by Phillymg on Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:33 pm

There was a story that it's been more than 10 yrs since the last of the 23 foster girls lived with Michele Bachmann & her husband Marcus.....it was over a period of years that they fostered the girls not all 23 at once.....long before she became a congresswoman.....yet as a congresswoman she has repeatedly given the false impression that the 23 girls are still living with them. For sure the Bachmanns seem to have a tight hold on those 23 individuals who are now grown women.....not 1 of them has come out with a tell-all interview or book (yet). I'm counting on the National Enquirer to rise to the occassion.

$250K.....wow.....that's the minimum the Bachmanns' got if they housed each girl for only a single year but they must have housed some of the girls for multiple years so it's probably way more.

Btw has anybody tried googling the words 'Is Marcus Bachmann'?? Give it a try..... jocolor

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Post by Phillymg on Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:34 am

'Bachmann Camp Offers More Questionable Slavery Claims'

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/07/bachmann-camp-offers-more-questionable-slavery-claims
Read the comments too.....alot of them are pretty interesting.....

Now that we know Michele Bachmann signs documents without reading them (or did read the slavery part & is simply lying & saying she didn't) & know that she's backed away from the slavery part but is 100% in favor of everything else in that totally bonkers oath statement.....it's time to realize what's in the rest of the oath statement--

* No quickie divorces (whatever quickie means)

* Forbid women in the US military from getting combat pay (even tho people are shooting at them all the time)

* No porn at all none whatsoever (that would include R-rated Hollywood movies & HBO series like True Blood, Game of Thrones, Deadwood, etc since they have nudity & simulated sex)

& alot of other really crazy stuff.....

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Post by Phillymg on Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:10 am

Anderson Cooper's 'Keeping Them Honest' did a good expose of the slavery part of the oath statement signed by Bachmann & Santorum.

The crazy group that created the weird statement has issued an additional claim that black slaves did indeed have the legal right to marry & often did marry & lived together in legal husband-wife households. Say what??



Btw when the Civil War ended in 1865 the practice of Indentured Servitude of whites was also brought to an end. Indentured servants were also forbidden to marry.

http://public.gettysburg.edu/~tshannon/hist106web/site18/Conditions%20of%20Indentured%20Servants2.htm

The prospect of people so un-knowledgable (not to mention bigoted) as Bachmann & Santorum becoming Prez or VP is simply too frightening to comprehend.

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Post by new_wave_princess on Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:57 pm

Both of them are complete nuts, however, I think they misread part of it. I saw it mentioned on the Colbert Report and reportedly the part they were talking about was their insistance that black children back then were more likely to have two parents. There's more to this particular story, but the larger issue is the amount of illegitimate black babies born today and how this is a problem. I assume this is what they meant because they can't be that stupid. Ok they can be stupid but this part alone is a good point.

Anyway, getting back to the two parent part there's a lot more there than they realize. As of late I've been somewhat obsessed with Alex Haley. We all know how white slave owners treated the slaves in Roots, but his last work Queen (about his grandmother)was the exact opposite. Unlike Roots, this story portrayed a consensual relationship between a white slave owner and a slave. Even though it was played that they loved each other, he could never acknowledge his daughter and it caused a lot of problems. Why bring this up? Because many children back then were in the same situation they are today, only back then the man was often white. Even if a child was the product of a relationship between two slaves there was a possibility the family could be torn apart. I think these problems are why we have the other issues today.
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Post by Phillymg on Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:42 am

NWP--

Pls bear with me here as I have some opinions--

(1)
Politicians unless they're insane don't 'misunderstand' any document that they sign. They can't afford the luxury of misunderstanding. That's why they hire teams of legal eagles to vet everything.....meaning that not only do they read any given document several times but the people who they pay to work for them also carefully read & re-read the document & give their input to the candidate about whether to sign or not to sign.

Bachmann & Santorum didn't 'misunderstand' the oath statement.....they knew quite well the implications of what they were doing.....& their teams had prepared a few possible back-up plans for what to do if things went wrong. Bachmann & Santorum gambled on the Tea Party (indeed are *still* gambling on the Tea Party) to *reward* them for attacking *lazy useless evil* African Americans. But things went bad so now the candidates are onto Plan B.....having the group (Family Matters) that came up with the oath statement *retract & then reiterate the lie* that enslaved blacks could legally marry & then have Bachmann & Santorum suggest either (i) they 'didn't read' the slavery clause or (ii) they 'misunderstood' the slavery clause--which btw is located *right at the beginning* of the oath statement.

When I suggested that Bachmann had signed something she hadn't read (which is exactly the media explanation she gave) I was being sarcastic. Of course she read it. Of course she understood the implication of the oath statement that anyone with black skin is genetically predisposed to immorality.....& must be contained/controlled or even enslaved to keep them from *infecting* non-blacks with their inherent laziness & dependency & lack of self-reliance.

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One of my sisters had an 'illegitimate white baby'.....& she's insulted whenever she hears someone use the word 'illegitimate" & for that matter so do I & the rest of our family & friends who love our nephew & consider him a 'legimitate' member of our family. As do his dad's side of the family who don't keep in close touch with him b/c they have some serious social & psychological problems but nonetheless.....despite his dad's family's chaotic issues & negativity.....our side of the family 100% believes that his dad's side at least loves him as a 'legitimate' human.

Others among my brothers & sisters--& my gf's brothers & sisters--have gone thru divorces.....with some remarriages creating successful *blended families*.....& a few sisters being the single mom primary caretakers of their children while ex-husbands got re-married & had more children with their new younger wives basically ignoring the kids from their first marriage. My situation is unusual to have a good custody arrangement for my son with my exwife who is a good person who gets all the credit for being so understanding & sharing custody fairly so we both support him equally & don't have to pay each other child support.

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Watched the 'Roots' mini-series (more than twice) & the 'Queen' mini-series (more than that--they re-ran it alot). In the 'Queen' series I didn't see any 'consensual relationship' you stated between slavemaster & slavewoman. Not at all. NOT AT ALL. It was clear at least to me that the enslaved woman had NO PSYCHOLOGICAL CHOICE (except for insanity or suicide) but to withdraw into a kind of Stockholm Syndrome--a 'learned helplessness'.....like Dr. Drew said about the recently freed enslaved kidnapping victim Jaycee Dugard. What was interesting about the 'Queen' character was how she consistently refused in 1000s of little meaningful ways to be treated like a slave even if she was in fact a slave. Probably Jaycee Dugard did too which is why she's still sane & alive today.

There were NO husbands & wives under slavery. It didn't exist. It was illegal for slaves to legally marry & they had to get their master's permission for any *informal* marriage such as 'jumping the broom'--which didn't stop masters from selling them & their children away from each other. INDENTURED WHITE SERVANTS were the same for their terms of 7, 14, or 21 years (whatever their families sold them into). Just like slaves any child born to an Indentured White Woman automatically became the 'property' of her Master to do with whatever he chose. Many white babies were ripped from the arms of Indentured White Women & 'sold' by the Master into Indentured Servitude to a new Master. All that came to an end in 1865 when the Civil War ended. Thanx to God.

TODAY (fast tracking up till today) would you be surprised to learn that.....in the US.....MORE WHITE WOMEN WITH CHILDREN get TANF & food stamps than do black women with children??

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Please forgive me for sounding judgmental towards you b/c I don't mean to.....esp because at the end of your post you absolutely do emphasize that many problems of single parenthood in the African American community today originate with how under slavery Masters raped their female slaves & bred slaves like cattle & sold slaves of any age anywhere they wanted dividing mothers and fathers from each other & from their children. I agree with you.

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A further problem a few other posters have raised is the ongoing discrimination against black men since the Civil War ended. For 100 years from 1865 to 1965 it was really hard for an African American man to be an active father caring for & raising his children since the government let random gangs of white guyz hang black men from trees. Especially if a black man started a Small Business.....was the kiss of death for a black man. Since lynching was outlawed in 1965 white police & DAs & judges ramped up imprisonment of black men (& poor men regardless of color). Deny these men jobs so they get desperate & do something stupid. Put them in jail. Charge the taxpayers to keep them there. Big moneymaking proposition for the rich whites who own stock in the Private Prisons. Today despite that China & India have *much bigger populations* than we do.....the US has more of its own citizens in prison than any other country.

OK I'm sorry for ranting so long about this. It ticks me off that Bachmann & Santorum would sign a document that declares in no uncertain terms that *all* Americans were better off when Slavery & Indentured Servitude were legal. Oh how I *wish* I could believe that they're simply 'nuts' in need of psychiatric treatment.....unfortunately for those two & their staffs.....it's quite clear that they're all under the influence of Satan.

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Post by new_wave_princess on Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:25 am

I'm not denying there isn't racism today, there is. I never said anything about black women on welfare, I was talking about the fact that many of them are raising the kids without a dad. Just so it doesn't sound like I'm just saying this, I did live for many years in an area with many black women who had children without the dad present. I should also mention that I have a friend who is a career black woman, didn't want to marry her boyfriend but got pregnant because of the biological clock (she was early 40's). While yes she would be one of those unwed mothers, she's not ones like I mentioned because she was a career woman. She's no longer with her boyfriend but I believe he's in her life.

The fact is however out of wedlock is a major problem because for every women like the one I mentioned there are several others who were teen moms or had kids they couldn't support. This is across all races and income levels. I blame the society for this because we have glamorized sexuality to a point where many expect sex on the first date. Do I treat out of wedlock kids different? Not really but may be thinking it's not right to do to a kid. My former best friend got pregnant by a married man she was living with (she was 19 he was 50)and my first thought was to tell her to abort. I knew she couldn't afford him and she ended up going on welfare. She ended up frauding the system and getting kicked off. Her son has a lot of issues with being born out of wedlock though in his case his dad was in the picture and they had the same last name.

The issue with slavery is yes it was always bad, but there were cases where there was consensual. Now granted it can be argued was it truly consensual with no rights, but since none of us were around then we truly don't know if it was Stockholm Syndrome or truly love. I happen to believe most children conceived of these situations weren't out oflove, but I like to believe some of them were. Maybe I'm wrong,maybe others who feel the opposite were wrong, none of us will know. However, there have always been subordinate relationships, such as boss/employee, and teacher/student. It can be argued these are not consensual either.

Getting back to these two though, neither one will become president so I think people are worrying. They are nuts just like people like Donald Trump or Rosie O'Donnell or many other celebs.
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Post by springflowers on Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:58 am

Slavery actually tore families apart and I think some of the legacy that is reason for low marriage rates in black families. However NO JOBS is at the top of the list, and I read elsewhere that more whites are joining 'the ghetto lifestyle" where there are babies out of wedlock and absentee fathers because no jobs means a man can't take of the family and everything gets warped down. I read that marriage vow document and its creepy, ever read Handmaiden's Tale? That's the flavor of it. Ok I am "conservative" myself but not for those who love tyranny and totalitarianism.

Bachmann is a Dominionist, if you want to know what that means, it means someone who desires a THEOCRACY, church and state married together. I am a Christian and TOTALLY against this. Jesus said His kingdom is NOT of this world.

I would never vote for her in a million years. The Tea party had acouple good ideas in beginning but has been co-opted, its just another vehicle to advance the cause of the rich bankers and try and remove the few safety nets we have in place.

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Post by new_wave_princess on Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:28 pm

The reason for the increase in out of wedlock babies isn't really because of jobs. The reality is more than that. It comes from the things such as feminism and loosening of morals, among other things.

Before anyone misunderstands my point, I am a feminist myself. However, the one bad thing feminism did was this idea that women can have everything and if they don't want to get married they can have babies because they want them. Originally this idea was aimed at career women who perhaps didn't want marriage because many men (especially when talking about baby boomers)didn't want a career woman. This by the way is fine. However it spread to younger women who had no business getting pregnant.

The other problem is the media. Good wholesome shows led way to the sleaze we have today. Kids see trash where unwed parenthood is accepted and think "I'll do that too".

Society not only condones single parenthood, it ENFORCES this view. Don't understand what I'm saying, then look at various welfare programs where it's very hard to get assistance unless your children is born out of wedlock. Married people with children have a very hard time in many states getting welfare. I've heard of people getting divorced so they can qualify.

I'm not sure what marriages vows have to do with anything. I'm Catholic and have seen the marriage vows and don't find them offensive. Yes, some religions are very offensive when it comes to the vows with women being submissive but I would never marry this way. If religious vows make someone uncomfortable they can get married by a justice of the peace and write their own vows.

Finally it goes without saying that if you can't support a baby, DON'T HAVE SEX. There are alternatives to sex and anyone with half a brain knows this.

So no, the reason for out of wedlock has little to do with no jobs. What is has to do with is instant gratification in society and the idea that sex is fine to always do with everyone. It's also why we have lots of STDs as well.
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Post by Tara on Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:07 pm

new_wave_princess wrote:
I'm not sure what marriages vows have to do with anything. I'm Catholic and have seen the marriage vows and don't find them offensive.


Santorum and Bachmann version of marital vows come with an amendment to the constitution which defines marriage as between a man and a woman. For the gay community, it has everything to do with their right to marry. Give it a read. Its the religious right trying to dictate their homophobic morals on the rest of us.

new_wave_princess wrote:So no, the reason for out of wedlock has little to do with no jobs. What is has to do with is instant gratification in society and the idea that sex is fine to always do with everyone. It's also why we have lots of STDs as well.

I agree with you that the inability to delay gratification causes many ills in our society. Have you read, "The Road Less Travelled" by Scott Peck? The ability to exercise self-discipline is an emotional skill, one not taught in school or in many families. Judging others and pushing our own morals down the throats of others, however, comes easily to some. Unfortunately, it does little to solve the problem of women having babies and getting STD's.

Planned Parenthood is an organization dedicated to providing birth control, diagnosis and treatment of STDs as well as health screening for women who are low income, many who have Medicaid. The Republican Party is waging a social war on Americans and is systematically defunding Planned Parenthood at the state level. It is impossible to limit people's choice in the number of sexual partners they desire, but it is imperative to insure they have access to birth control and treatment for STD's.

Bottem line, Repubicans need to focus on job creation and stop dictating their morals to the rest of us. We don't need them for that.

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Post by new_wave_princess on Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:22 pm

I don't agree with either of them btw, and think the religious right is just as dangerous as the extreme left. For those who aren't aware, the Catholic Church has traditionally been Democratic because the Catholic Church is big on charity. I don't support eliminating social programs, just tightening restrictions. As of late people have become convinced the Catholic Church is right wing because of certain social views (divorce, abortion and gay rights). Just for the record I do not agree with the Catholic Church's view on gay marriage or abortion but do support the divorce issue because they do offer annulments in some cases.

I don't feel either party should enforce religious views but both are. The Republicans are pushing their agenda of cutting all social programs and the Democrats push their agenda of allowing us to pay for other's mistakes.

I have read that book many years ago but probably should read it again.
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Post by Phillymg on Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:09 am

new_wave_princess wrote:The reason for the increase in out of wedlock babies isn't really because of jobs. The reality is more than that. It comes from the things such as feminism and loosening of morals, among other things.
Please provide a link to a scientific study that proves that 'feminism' has caused out of wedlock babies. This claim is simply a lie. Feminism began in the late 1800s with women fighting for the right to VOTE & RUN FOR OFFICE, to get divorced from husbands who beat them, to get paid the same as men when doing the same jobs as men, & more. If it weren't for feminism.....Sarah Palin would never have been a Governor & Michele Bachmann would never have been a House member.

Clever tactic to link 'feminism' to 'loosening of morals' with the word 'and' as if the 2 have some relation to one another which they don't. Plus the meaning of 'loosening of morals' is completely unclear. If we look back in human history.....people have been doing the wild thing outside of marriage for a really long time. Btw Nathaniel Hawthorne says that the 17th century wants its Scarlet Letter back.


new_wave_princess wrote:Before anyone misunderstands my point, I am a feminist myself. However, the one bad thing feminism did was this idea that women can have everything and if they don't want to get married they can have babies because they want them. Originally this idea was aimed at career women who perhaps didn't want marriage because many men (especially when talking about baby boomers)didn't want a career woman. This by the way is fine. However it spread to younger women who had no business getting pregnant.
People are entitled to their own opinions but not to their own FACTS. Since when did any feminist group or individual state that 'women can have everything'.....please provide a link. Talk to young women, talk to older women, talk to what you refer to as so-called 'career women' (every woman who has ever worked at a job outside the home is a 'career woman).....from the time they are little girls they *dream* of getting married & raising a family with a husband. Many become terrible disappointed when *men* let them down by refusing to marry them, or even if they do marry them the husbands run around with other women, run around with other men, etc. (My gf & I plan to marry when it will be advantageous for tax purposes to do so. Right now, we'd both take a big tax hit if we got married. We're both divorced so it's not a rush for us.) You give *zero proof* for your claim that MILLIONS OF WOMEN suddenly decided to have children without being married & then influenced MILLIONS OF TEENAGE GIRLS to do the same. Such a claim is untenable & insidious.


new_wave_princess wrote:The other problem is the media. Good wholesome shows led way to the sleaze we have today. Kids see trash where unwed parenthood is accepted and think "I'll do that too".
This is way off the topic of Michele Bachmann's approval of slavery.


new_wave_princess wrote:Society not only condones single parenthood, it ENFORCES this view. Don't understand what I'm saying, then look at various welfare programs where it's very hard to get assistance unless your children is born out of wedlock. Married people with children have a very hard time in many states getting welfare. I've heard of people getting divorced so they can qualify.
'Society' doesn't enforce single parenthood. Welfare laws were passed by Congress which is not 'society'. It was Congress & Prez Clinton who changed the welfare laws to make it more difficult for married couples to get welfare. Please don't blame 'society' for the mistakes of Congress.


new_wave_princess wrote:Finally it goes without saying that if you can't support a baby, DON'T HAVE SEX. There are alternatives to sex and anyone with half a brain knows this.
Guess that means you're a virgin since you've never been married.....yet I'm certain you're not one since you told everyone many times that you lived with your ex-bf without being married. God gave us the 10 Commandments so that each one of us could work hard to follow them *IN OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL LIVES*.....not so we could use them as a battering ram to attack other people. (Lol I'm dying to know what the 'alternatives to sex' are!! Cool


new_wave_princess wrote:
So no, the reason for out of wedlock has little to do with no jobs. What is has to do with is instant gratification in society and the idea that sex is fine to always do with everyone. It's also why we have lots of STDs as well.
'Sex is fine to always do with everyone'??????????????????????? Who says that??

Imo if you had a child yourself you might be less judgmental of those of us who are single parents.

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I know I'm being particularly aggressive with this post. I'm not perfect either. The reason I started this thread was to address the fact that several candidates for the Presidency of the United States signed a racist document that states that if only black Americans were slaves again then Presto Chango single parenthood would disappear.

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Post by new_wave_princess on Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:35 am

Whether or not I had premarital sex isn't the point because I didn't get pregnant. I knew better and my parents told me had I gotten pregnant I had two choices: adoption or marry the dad. They never would have allowed me to be a single mom and I knew not to disagrace them.

I'll post facts when you post facts. Organizations like NOW (of which I was a member) do in fact see nothing wrong with women having kids out of welfare. They have many articles at their site addressing this issue.

If government isn't enforcing the view of unwed parenthood explain why in many states married parents can't get much if any welfare but unwed can? Doesn't take a scientist to figure this one out.

Oh and you missed the point where I stated I am a feminist. However, being a feminist doesn't mean one should be allowed to make bad choices I pay for. I support women working and have issues with women staying at home. I support birth control and abortion. I DO NOT support people getting pregnant out of wedlock than having the kid. If they can't afford it, give it up for adoption.

Loosening of morals: comparing shows from the 50's-70's, even 80's with trash like Friends where all they do is sleep with each other or the Bachelor which promotes slutty behavior with both genders.
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