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"Is Unemployment Caused by a Skills Mismatch?" PBS News Hour

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"Is Unemployment Caused by a Skills Mismatch?" PBS News Hour

Post by worrywart on Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:05 am

Posted September 06, 2011:

Editor's Note: Friday's story, "Can America's Jobless Fill American Jobs?" looked at the extent to which high unemployment is structural, and the extent to which it is cyclical.

Zachary Karabell of economic research and consulting firm River Twice thinks much of what we're seeing is structural. He sees a shift occurring in the economy which is causing a mismatch between the skills employers want and the skills job seekers have.

Mike Konczal of the Roosevelt Institute, on the other hand, argues unemployment is mostly tied to the economic cycle. He believes we have a high jobless rate because the economy is relatively weak.

As usual, we had a lot more material than we could fit in the piece -- so we're posting this online extra.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1a2qTi1PGQ
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Post by new_wave_princess on Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:11 pm

I watched that and I think I get the idea, which is people are training for the wrong skills. I have to agree. I also think many people refuse to learn new skills which hurts.
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Post by requete' on Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:40 pm

Unemployment is tied to the Economy !!! Not a mismatch of job skills, which is total BS !!! There are a lot of educated and experienced people unemployed with many transferable and transitional job skills, who if given the chance, could be integrated into the workforce. The majority of the people who were laid off when this " Recession " began, where the older, experienced, high cost employees, that Companies began to shed and did not longer what to pay for !!! It boils down to costs and benefits, which are the reasons that Companies are shedding employees !!! Companies now want a cheaper,smaller, do all type of workforce that is flexible.


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Post by new_wave_princess on Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:47 pm

Sure, that is the case in many situations like mine. However, many people don't want to learn new skills.



I have a friend who is 55 and refuses to learn new skills. He lost his job 10 years ago courtesy of NAFTA (thanks Slick Willie!) and instead of learning computer skills would rather complain. His skills are outdated.



I just found out my library offers free classes so I am taking classes on human resource, technical writing and internet marketing. I'm also teaching myself Captivate. I'm finding now that I am learning these I am getting more bites. Whether we like it or not we now have to have several skills that transfer into other fields.
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Post by requete' on Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:56 pm

Yep, it's called Lifelong Learning, which everyone should adopt. Keeps one from becoming a Vegetable !


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Post by new_wave_princess on Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:06 pm

I have a friend who's a teacher and he always has to take new classes in new skills. Many workers should do this as well.
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Post by gigichicago on Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:34 pm

Many companies want you to have hands on experience, regardless of training yourself or taking a course at the library. That's what I have seen in the job market.
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Post by new_wave_princess on Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:41 pm

gigichicago wrote:Many companies want you to have hands on experience, regardless of training yourself or taking a course at the library. That's what I have seen in the job market.



That's why I'm lying and saying I have the experience and am creating projects claiming they are freelance jobs. Now that I've started listing my freelance work as a real job I am getting more responses.
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Post by requete' on Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:31 pm

Another problem that we unemployed have to face is the fact that employers are getting very nit-picky when it comes to applicants. In other words they are only looking for people that are Industry specific to their own Industry. Ie: Food industry-must have a food background. Pharmaceuticals-must have a pharmaceutical background. And the lists go on and on. They won't consider people with transferable skills. Also, in most cases, they are looking for College graduates with 1-5 years work experience. Sounds kinda entry level to me.
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Post by new_wave_princess on Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:47 pm

I am seeing that as well. I've seen so many specific markeitng jobs and in the past they just wanted someone with marketing skills. Now they want skills in that industry.
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Post by sbraney on Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:28 am

Skills mismatch my buttcheeks - seems they don't mind a skills mismatch when it comes to labor from other countries - and Americans seem to be qualified enough to train them before being laid off. Same old, same old worn out line of pure bunk. The disloyalty that these corporations have bred will never be healed.

It seems to me that some of the so-called jobs being advertised are glorified infomercials for training schools who have lost a fortune in this morass - even colleges have to be suffering as people aren't willing to risk their future to obtain a diploma that will only indenture them forever. Hell, all the kids that didn't go to school and took jobs that perhaps didn't pay a whole lot, but at least provided steady income, are now in a better position to pick up the homes of the educated who can no longer manage the debt.

In case you haven't noticed, there's an unbelievable amount of disdain in this country for those who are educated - it used to be that college training - especially a liberal arts education trained you to think, and you were therefore trainable - corporations invested in and encouraged further training and education. It isn't necessarily the level of sophistication of jobs that warrants an advanced degree, but the fact that the colleges/universities have become very lucrative businesses and are deeply connected with the military industrial complex - they too are war profiteers investing heavily in these industries, so they look for all kinds of ways to work with the fortune 500 to design curricula that unfortunately further limits ones perspective, instead of broadening understanding as in the past. Just adding a course can increase the college's revenues considerably. Requiring an advanced degree in library science for instance - a friend of mine worked in that field before retiring - she is the most disorganized individual on the planet - she lacks the most critical skill and couldn't locate a gnat or even begin to define a functional database.

Unfortunately, now students learn more and more about less, instead of increasing our vision, there's a focus on one small segment with no understanding of relationship to broaden perspective. Medicine is the clearest example - while it may be beneficial to have some specialists we have all suffered, because their very defined training omits system integration. This was always a problem with programmers, and it appears we've come full circle again - designers didn't have a clue what an accountant's needs were, and couldn't possibly, because they didn't understand their language to intelligently converse. The result is trash science everywhere as schools try to prepare students for the hottest skill which in my mind is creating a bunch of blanks. You have people working on one extremely small segment with absolutely no idea what impact their process will have on the platform, and management that doesn't see a need to communicate the broader scope. This is why so-called project managers are so high in demand, but since these are highly paid "executives" it's no surprise that they are also very well connected, and while they network and command a nice income, they also move in and out of corporations like snakes, leaving the clean-up for the underpaid.

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Post by new_wave_princess on Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:58 pm

sbraney wrote:Skills mismatch my buttcheeks - seems they don't mind a skills mismatch when it comes to labor from other countries - and Americans seem to be qualified enough to train them before being laid off. Same old, same old worn out line of pure bunk. The disloyalty that these corporations have bred will never be healed.

It seems to me that some of the so-called jobs being advertised are glorified infomercials for training schools who have lost a fortune in this morass - even colleges have to be suffering as people aren't willing to risk their future to obtain a diploma that will only indenture them forever. Hell, all the kids that didn't go to school and took jobs that perhaps didn't pay a whole lot, but at least provided steady income, are now in a better position to pick up the homes of the educated who can no longer manage the debt.

In case you haven't noticed, there's an unbelievable amount of disdain in this country for those who are educated - it used to be that college training - especially a liberal arts education trained you to think, and you were therefore trainable - corporations invested in and encouraged further training and education. It isn't necessarily the level of sophistication of jobs that warrants an advanced degree, but the fact that the colleges/universities have become very lucrative businesses and are deeply connected with the military industrial complex - they too are war profiteers investing heavily in these industries, so they look for all kinds of ways to work with the fortune 500 to design curricula that unfortunately further limits ones perspective, instead of broadening understanding as in the past. Just adding a course can increase the college's revenues considerably. Requiring an advanced degree in library science for instance - a friend of mine worked in that field before retiring - she is the most disorganized individual on the planet - she lacks the most critical skill and couldn't locate a gnat or even begin to define a functional database.

Unfortunately, now students learn more and more about less, instead of increasing our vision, there's a focus on one small segment with no understanding of relationship to broaden perspective. Medicine is the clearest example - while it may be beneficial to have some specialists we have all suffered, because their very defined training omits system integration. This was always a problem with programmers, and it appears we've come full circle again - designers didn't have a clue what an accountant's needs were, and couldn't possibly, because they didn't understand their language to intelligently converse. The result is trash science everywhere as schools try to prepare students for the hottest skill which in my mind is creating a bunch of blanks. You have people working on one extremely small segment with absolutely no idea what impact their process will have on the platform, and management that doesn't see a need to communicate the broader scope. This is why so-called project managers are so high in demand, but since these are highly paid "executives" it's no surprise that they are also very well connected, and while they network and command a nice income, they also move in and out of corporations like snakes, leaving the clean-up for the underpaid.



We see people here who don't value education and many people don't in real life. My cousins (none attended college)will always make snarky comments like "hey I may be unemployed but at least I don't have a fancy degree". Had I known that I would struggle to find a job I doubt I would have attended college let alone graduate school, no less graduated with honors. I've said this before, but in my 20's I was a model and made more doing that than many professional jobs. Smart women in this society aren't important, only beautiful women. Yes that is wrong but it's a fact and a sad one. I've gotten farther because of my looks than my intelligence and it stinks because I feel my smarts are far more valid than my looks.



However, I will state though that college has become more watered down than it should. I knew way too many people who never should have attended college and did because they had no other options. Half of the classes I've never used and the other half were classes where I already knew what I was doing. I literally would have my assignments done by midterm and spent the rest of that time getting ready for finals (which I would study but still pass usually with an A). I learned most of the skills I used in jobs on the job. I learned Flash and PhotoShop at my last job and learned Microsoft Office on my own.
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Post by requete' on Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:16 pm

Offshoring and outsourcing have been the major cause of our failed Economy. We don't produce any longer, we just consume. All the good paying jobs have been sent overseas because of the cheap labor, and the cost of doing business. Until we get those jobs back, we will never be the Nation we were !!!
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